The father announces himself to word
The case of a normal 15jährigen of girl, who was kidnapped by the authorities from its parents' house, shakes at present Germany.
The family is protestant and belonged to the Huguenot church in attaining.
The father of Melissa, Hubert Busekros, placed in the meantime a request to the immediate suspension of the execution.
Thus the document was passed on for decision to the higher regional court Nuremberg.
Why isn't Melissa changed on another High School, where it gives nevertheless in attaining Inge including seven High Schools?
Hubert Busekros: Melissa wanted to remain gladly in its class. Therefore we complained also around the whereabouts at school.
But at the state the desire of a child is obvious of small importance. How it seems, the authorities know best, what for a child is good.
Why was the 15jährige for the date of the negotiation before the family court just alone abroad?
Hubert Busekros: The girl was not subordinate to judicial travel restrictions. In addition was vacation time.
Why did the family leave its other five children on the national schools, if these are obviously so bad?
Hubert Busekros: Because our children it in such a way wished. We strive to respect the personality of our children. The national education unit mash is not suited for everyone.
But Melissa is schoolable…
Hubert Busekros: No, the compulsory schooling already was to end.
Hubert Busekros: The local newspaper determined that it will not give a report. It concerns a personal affair, which is not from public interest. Wes bread I eß, song I whistle - or I remain mute.
How are Melissa in the psychiatry?
Hubert Busekros: Melissa is a strengthened personality. It seems the shock to bear in which our family at present lives, to best by us all.
Clear, is how long your daughter is to remain in the psychiatry?
Hubert Busekros: When desired the consultant is Melissa one week to remain interned. But in the long run the youth welfare office attaining decides.
How do you intend to act further?
Hubert Busekros: I request the mayor of attaining as a highest service gentleman of the youth welfare office to ensure immediately that our daughter is released.
30 reader opinions:Tuesday, 13 February 2007 07:54
Germany before 50Jahren: From the editorship removes
Saturday, 10 February 2007 14:56
Stephanus: ruckizucki…
I had already once addressed it: in the north the same mobilization raves under fuchtel the CDU district administrator, there goes it however around admitting Christians refusing its children a contempting for human beings sexunterricht to suspend.
there then a half dozen of polizeifahrzeuge stands around also equal. everything happens in the tomorrow-grey etc.
the parallel it pull are quite correct.
now me the following thought comes: I am which schulsexualerziehung concern already for over 25 years wide awake, have already as juvenile in the DGW over it written etc.
it seems to me in such a way, as if these encroachments would not have taken place during the Red-Greens dictatorship so substantial.
I have however no comparative figures.
should the allegedly so christian-social still worse wolves be in the sheep fur, than it the Red-Greens ever were????
does the sellout of GermanChristian culture under other signs become only the more intensively priority-floated?
which is the execution of the federal Secretary of Family Affairs:
the rule of the alpha animal (the man) is past???
are the frozen germ cell supplies already so large that soon the man-free time can start??? by schwarzer& CO always one demanded?!?!?!
is the family at the CDU still more in danger, than it so far already was????
you love people, do not let you not from names and nice faces be deceptive
_ to their fruit will it they recognize and the new money be today already a putrid fruit! …
there then a half dozen of polizeifahrzeuge stands around also equal. everything happens in the tomorrow-grey etc.
the parallel it pull are quite correct.
now me the following thought comes: I am which schulsexualerziehung concern already for over 25 years wide awake, have already as juvenile in the DGW over it written etc.
it seems to me in such a way, as if these encroachments would not have taken place during the Red-Greens dictatorship so substantial.
I have however no comparative figures.
should the allegedly so christian-social still worse wolves be in the sheep fur, than it the Red-Greens ever were????
does the sellout of GermanChristian culture under other signs become only the more intensively priority-floated?
which is the execution of the federal Secretary of Family Affairs:
the rule of the alpha animal (the man) is past???
are the frozen germ cell supplies already so large that soon the man-free time can start??? by schwarzer& CO always one demanded?!?!?!
is the family at the CDU still more in danger, than it so far already was????
you love people, do not let you not from names and nice faces be deceptive
_ to their fruit will it they recognize and the new money be today already a putrid fruit! …
Saturday, 10 February 2007 14:38
ruckizucki: Unbelievably, which is again possible today in Germany.
There 15 policemen move forward, in order to transfer a 15jährige into the force of the youth welfare office. What actually committed a crime it? Is it perhaps a Serienmörderin - or which? Such a measure reminds me fatal of the procedure in the 3rd realm against unpleasant fellow citizens. So far are we thus already again. , I can only say Pfui devil there. The responsible persons belong all together dismiss. But who should arrange? The more I over it think, dest more nausea ascend. Poor Germany!!!!!!!!!!
Saturday, 10 February 2007 12:02
Evelin: When is Melissa finally released?
@ Sirilo: Thanks for on the left of to newspaper articles. I would like to now know really, when Melissa is finally released, particularly since it was called original, her becomes for one week „the observation “(why actually?) instructed. This week is nevertheless already past!
The husband of the Evelin
The husband of the Evelin
Friday, 9 February 2007 05:36
Sirilo: New press report to the case Amina/Melissa
Today the following report appeared in the EN/NN, for the first time with (somewhat diaper-soft) a statement of the youth welfare office attaining:
http://www.nn-online.de/artikel.asp?art=606182&kat…
http://www.nn-online.de/artikel.asp?art=606182&kat…
Friday, 9 February 2007 02:42
Stephanus: sirilo
there they understood somewhat wrongly
I referred, already in the heading mentioning, to an earlier article
the mayor is also „a boss “its sozialreferate, youth welfare office and like her all hot.
if down muck is built, then it smells afterwards in the upper floors.
so always was that
thus would have to the WHETHER to be to keep as small as possible the thing.
the information additionally only, so that one white whom one „before “itself has.
these information is freely accessible, but everyone finds it at first attempt.
I cannot select this party, because she exists only in Bavaria, but representatives of the sister party rage here in the north as district administrators etc. likewise among other things against baptistische extended families, here lie fell somewhat differently, but the police presences and the unworthy deal with harmless fellow citizens remind nevertheless much to the time until 1945.
there was only at that time so-called again heaths some perishable darwinismus had internalized.
today the responsible persons grumble themselves in a christian-social manner, and/or even catholic.
but do they do not act thereafter!!!
I referred, already in the heading mentioning, to an earlier article
the mayor is also „a boss “its sozialreferate, youth welfare office and like her all hot.
if down muck is built, then it smells afterwards in the upper floors.
so always was that
thus would have to the WHETHER to be to keep as small as possible the thing.
the information additionally only, so that one white whom one „before “itself has.
these information is freely accessible, but everyone finds it at first attempt.
I cannot select this party, because she exists only in Bavaria, but representatives of the sister party rage here in the north as district administrators etc. likewise among other things against baptistische extended families, here lie fell somewhat differently, but the police presences and the unworthy deal with harmless fellow citizens remind nevertheless much to the time until 1945.
there was only at that time so-called again heaths some perishable darwinismus had internalized.
today the responsible persons grumble themselves in a christian-social manner, and/or even catholic.
but do they do not act thereafter!!!
Thursday, 8 February 2007 22:45
Sirilo: @Stephanus
Dovetail no such nonsense nevertheless! The case Busekros is an affair of the youth welfare office attaining; the youth welfare office is there vorgeprescht on own fist (released by the guerilla war with the family B.). That released certainly the mayor, worries about such things not. Now however it appeared itself for it to care to have, there today in the regional press (catchment area Nürnberger message) not only the article, but also still another comment linked by me in my earlier Posting, which evaluates the behavior of the youth welfare office quite critically. (Perhaps I will adjust it here, give there it him only in the print version.)
And the Landrätin of Fürth does not have with the thing completely determines anything do.
(With it you on no wrong thoughts come: I do not belong to party and the party of ball ice and Pauli ever did not select.)
And the Landrätin of Fürth does not have with the thing completely determines anything do.
(With it you on no wrong thoughts come: I do not belong to party and the party of ball ice and Pauli ever did not select.)
Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:26
Stephanus: the mayor and landrätin of fürth and a nice girl from next door…
the mayor requested here is Dr. siegfried ball ice, who was married with the famous-notorious landrätin by fürth Mrs. Dr. gabrielle pauli and with it since 1987 a common daughter has.
pauli lives loud wikipedia today separately from its second husband
several times distinguished, high-ranking csu politicians mix strength of their office in destructive way in live an intact extended family in.
they cannot bear it probably, if still somebody wants to live after God required and is happy.
I think, one should write Dr. mayor once.
its address is easy auszugoogeln.
up,
we do which for pursued Christians, give it like we read can not only abroad.
next-dear does not catch in disaster-orders A la sunami on.
no few meters on the right of or to the left of our haustüre is already always requires!!!
pauli lives loud wikipedia today separately from its second husband
several times distinguished, high-ranking csu politicians mix strength of their office in destructive way in live an intact extended family in.
they cannot bear it probably, if still somebody wants to live after God required and is happy.
I think, one should write Dr. mayor once.
its address is easy auszugoogeln.
up,
we do which for pursued Christians, give it like we read can not only abroad.
next-dear does not catch in disaster-orders A la sunami on.
no few meters on the right of or to the left of our haustüre is already always requires!!!
Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:30
zwobbel: High-talented are gone bad of state because of
In the contribution it is located where that to problem actually lies.
In a meaningful school it did not have problems.
But in the German educational system for conscious going bad of the children and young people it began.
If parents of high-talented children not promptly everything to contrive correctly it looks completely black. Sometimes teacher helps - if they are committed.
Of state because of the children are gone bad. All are alike and who is better down pulled on the level of the general equality - so now times „freedom is to the fraternity “.
In a meaningful school it did not have problems.
But in the German educational system for conscious going bad of the children and young people it began.
If parents of high-talented children not promptly everything to contrive correctly it looks completely black. Sometimes teacher helps - if they are committed.
Of state because of the children are gone bad. All are alike and who is better down pulled on the level of the general equality - so now times „freedom is to the fraternity “.
Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:14
Sirilo: „Daughter in the psychiatry “
Here the newest report from the today's EN:
http://www.nn-online.de/artikel.asp?art=605753&kat…
Here somewhat more is reported for the prehistory of the case. Strange to say the girl is called now Amina and no more Melissa…
http://www.nn-online.de/artikel.asp?art=605753&kat…
Here somewhat more is reported for the prehistory of the case. Strange to say the girl is called now Amina and no more Melissa…
Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:44
God hard: from Saxonia
Görlitz - a 16-jährige Schulschwänzerin from Görlitz must in the summer for two weeks in the prison, because it stayed away nearly one month from instruction long without excuse. To this youth arrest punishment she was condemned by the district court Görlitz already in December, said the responsible judge Andreas pitch. The pupil deflected several possibilities, in order to turn the punishment away, justified pitch the measure of punishment.
Source
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Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:11
Sirilo: @Stimme from the Tradiland
Whether the authority decisions were correct or appropriate, I do not know, because in addition still no really secured facts are present. (I already suggested that I do not understand, why Melissa was spent after Nuremberg, although there is a child psychiatry also in attaining.) I „do not believe “thus in the case Melissa nothing at all; I place only questions.
Since I grew up even as the oldest one of six brothers and sisters, I am pleased that there are today still such extended families; I wish Melissa that everything dissolves „in well-being favours “and it can return again to its family.
Since I grew up even as the oldest one of six brothers and sisters, I am pleased that there are today still such extended families; I wish Melissa that everything dissolves „in well-being favours “and it can return again to its family.
Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:49
Voice from the Tradiland: Children with house instruction are opponents of the regime of the Demokratur
@ Sirilo: They believe thus that the authority decision was correct despite the age of the concerning (15 years) and the contrary remarks of connoisseurs of the state of affairs in the article?
Probably do you believe then also that 15 policemen were necessary for this court measure, one per year of life of the girl?
To the arrest of a 80jährigen thus then 80 policemen sent…
And for what the Zwangspsychiatrierung? Either it is actually ill, then it is well supplied in its family and can be present no injury of the compulsory schooling.
Or you is healthy, then the measure is an authority repression like the obligation psychiatry run gene in the earlier Soviet Union with opponents of the regime.
To latter time stories epoch me the whole erinnnert anyhow. Most interesting thus that the Demokratur regards children with house instruction as opponents of the regime, which should accordingly to treat.
Probably do you believe then also that 15 policemen were necessary for this court measure, one per year of life of the girl?
To the arrest of a 80jährigen thus then 80 policemen sent…
And for what the Zwangspsychiatrierung? Either it is actually ill, then it is well supplied in its family and can be present no injury of the compulsory schooling.
Or you is healthy, then the measure is an authority repression like the obligation psychiatry run gene in the earlier Soviet Union with opponents of the regime.
To latter time stories epoch me the whole erinnnert anyhow. Most interesting thus that the Demokratur regards children with house instruction as opponents of the regime, which should accordingly to treat.
Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:20
Sirilo: Report in the ERLANGER MESSAGES
Now finally the EN reported on Melissas case:
http://… w.erlanger-nachrichten.de/artikel.asp?art=605415&kat…
It is remarkable that the newspaper did not call the name of the family, in order to grant their Persönlichkeitsschutz. (However the family can be identified easily. by the denomination with Kreuz.net)
From the article follows that the first collection served the purpose by the authorities, to retrieve the hearing before the family court, defeated by absence. In the case of this hearing then things must have come to the language, which let a removal from the family seem indicated in the opinion the authorities.
http://… w.erlanger-nachrichten.de/artikel.asp?art=605415&kat…
It is remarkable that the newspaper did not call the name of the family, in order to grant their Persönlichkeitsschutz. (However the family can be identified easily. by the denomination with Kreuz.net)
From the article follows that the first collection served the purpose by the authorities, to retrieve the hearing before the family court, defeated by absence. In the case of this hearing then things must have come to the language, which let a removal from the family seem indicated in the opinion the authorities.
Wednesday, 7 February 2007 08:32
zwobbel: 15 heavy calibers
If psychological problems were present, first a fundamental clarification could take place nevertheless there in the outpatient clinic. Why directly with so heavy calibers one drives?
Perhaps because it was clear that, if 15 policemen appear to pupil around a 15-jährige like a Mörderin fetch, a mental damage not avoid do not let themselves? And after the experiences when 1st fetching one needed 2nd times naturally again 15 with the men for the girl!!!
I know such procedure also from other cases. It serves simply the intimidation of the concerning and social exclusion in circles of the neighbours. Because these are to notice that this family is subject to the social proscription.
The tenor is clear. Homeschooler are heavycriminal!
Who does not let its child on the schoolyard e.g. act with drugs has anything to befüchten (is considered as „normally “), since any soft IE social workers with the authors discuss. But if one its child away from e.g. so a schoolyard to keep wants, then offends against the reasons of state.
Finally we live in a link state.
It is really a vibration by Germany goes there. All parents live in view of such Wilkür in juridical insecurity.
Perhaps because it was clear that, if 15 policemen appear to pupil around a 15-jährige like a Mörderin fetch, a mental damage not avoid do not let themselves? And after the experiences when 1st fetching one needed 2nd times naturally again 15 with the men for the girl!!!
I know such procedure also from other cases. It serves simply the intimidation of the concerning and social exclusion in circles of the neighbours. Because these are to notice that this family is subject to the social proscription.
The tenor is clear. Homeschooler are heavycriminal!
Who does not let its child on the schoolyard e.g. act with drugs has anything to befüchten (is considered as „normally “), since any soft IE social workers with the authors discuss. But if one its child away from e.g. so a schoolyard to keep wants, then offends against the reasons of state.
Finally we live in a link state.
It is really a vibration by Germany goes there. All parents live in view of such Wilkür in juridical insecurity.
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:44
Agathenon †: Good night, VirFortis
and until tomorrow then!Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:42
VirFortis: good night
again times too much time verplempert here
sleep good…
sleep good…
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:21
Sirilo: Questions remain open…
I thank the Kreuznet editorship that she took up my questions by in such a way 19:13 and Mo 12:01 and by Melissas father answer let. Nevertheless still some questions remain openly for me.
First concerning the authorities: Why was Melissa brought into the youth psychiatry in Nuremberg? In attaining there is a child and a youth psychiatry at the university hospital also; coincidental I was yesterday there in their outpatient clinic, as driver and a companion of a mother with daughter. If psychological problems were present, first a fundamental clarification could take place nevertheless there in the outpatient clinic. Why directly with so heavy calibers one drives?
Perhaps the family court expresses itself on the request of „voice from the Tradiland “. I do not fear only, the authorities because of data protection anything will say. - It was much unklug that Melissa did not appear to the date before the court. In angelsächs. Countries calls one such a thing „contempt OF court “, ignoring the court. There naturally the suspicion arises, the family wants something to conceal with the court.
Melissa did not create - in such a way I understood it - the 8th class. The conception, it could remain then during the 9th class at home and learn as much that it retrieves the transfer and then afterwards into the 10th class enters, appears to me more than naively. How is that to be able be done?
A certain suspicion forces itself upon me, which I would like to however only express if I know still more about this case.
First concerning the authorities: Why was Melissa brought into the youth psychiatry in Nuremberg? In attaining there is a child and a youth psychiatry at the university hospital also; coincidental I was yesterday there in their outpatient clinic, as driver and a companion of a mother with daughter. If psychological problems were present, first a fundamental clarification could take place nevertheless there in the outpatient clinic. Why directly with so heavy calibers one drives?
Perhaps the family court expresses itself on the request of „voice from the Tradiland “. I do not fear only, the authorities because of data protection anything will say. - It was much unklug that Melissa did not appear to the date before the court. In angelsächs. Countries calls one such a thing „contempt OF court “, ignoring the court. There naturally the suspicion arises, the family wants something to conceal with the court.
Melissa did not create - in such a way I understood it - the 8th class. The conception, it could remain then during the 9th class at home and learn as much that it retrieves the transfer and then afterwards into the 10th class enters, appears to me more than naively. How is that to be able be done?
A certain suspicion forces itself upon me, which I would like to however only express if I know still more about this case.
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:27
rolf34: why
did the girl come at all into the psychiatry? I mean, if the authorities take a child from someone away, nevertheless normally come it into a home or a youth accommodation. For a briefing into a psychiatry already more, above all e must
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:37
Alois Hudal: @Stimme of the reason:
Wehalb you serious topics in the ridiculous pull, are to me a mystery.
@Stimme from the Tradiland:
I pflichte you, but the questions remain existing after the vacation and about the school achievements and the Nichtversetzung of the pupil.
@Stimme from the Tradiland:
I pflichte you, but the questions remain existing after the vacation and about the school achievements and the Nichtversetzung of the pupil.
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:23
be correct the reason: Vibrations
The case of a normal 15jährigen of girl, who was kidnapped by the authorities from its parents' house, shakes at present Germany
Unfortunately the vibration is hardly noticeable, because it is overlaid by the quake, which the bag rice released, which fell down today in China.
Unfortunately the vibration is hardly noticeable, because it is overlaid by the quake, which the bag rice released, which fell down today in China.
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:48
Voice from the Tradiland: Charge and mental health
@ zwobbel: I have already with the family court in attaining (district court attaining, Mozart route 23
91052 attaining, fax 0049-9131-782105) an inquiry posed in view to arbitrariness in the authority execution and ignoring the human rights.
In addition I deposited preventing a charge in the same writ. I did not implement the latters more near (I think particularly of false imprisonment, office abuse as well as offense and/or bodily injury due to inadmissible medical treatment).
The family court would have to pass the criminal action on also in this form to the responsible criminal court.
@ Katharina L.: The Psychiatrierung made without relevant diagnosis is already actually no contribution to the mental health. Melissa is im übrigen old enough, in order to decide in religious affairs themselves.
Otherwise also gläubige Calvinisten is probably still better parents as disbelieving-modernistic Katholen. Like that the mother of Melissa for their education and soul welfare is than it a person like you would be certainly more useful, K.L.!
91052 attaining, fax 0049-9131-782105) an inquiry posed in view to arbitrariness in the authority execution and ignoring the human rights.
In addition I deposited preventing a charge in the same writ. I did not implement the latters more near (I think particularly of false imprisonment, office abuse as well as offense and/or bodily injury due to inadmissible medical treatment).
The family court would have to pass the criminal action on also in this form to the responsible criminal court.
@ Katharina L.: The Psychiatrierung made without relevant diagnosis is already actually no contribution to the mental health. Melissa is im übrigen old enough, in order to decide in religious affairs themselves.
Otherwise also gläubige Calvinisten is probably still better parents as disbelieving-modernistic Katholen. Like that the mother of Melissa for their education and soul welfare is than it a person like you would be certainly more useful, K.L.!
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:48
Jean: @ Alexandra Zayadeh
Thank you for the flowers! They know to appreciate my understanding pleasantly… 
However, which concerns the KathL, I do not believe that it is quite intelligent, to trip with the cast-iron Bratpfanne by the area.
However, which concerns the KathL, I do not believe that it is quite intelligent, to trip with the cast-iron Bratpfanne by the area.
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:42
more r.ruhrgebietler: @zwobbel - certainly not!
Everything which by verse is HIP (I had to learn also only times…) and in such a way nobody will write such a complaint of supervision of service! NOBODY!
Polemisieren is here wrongly at the place - faith is more than obedience!
Polemisieren is here wrongly at the place - faith is more than obedience!
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:38
Hypatia: @ Jean
They give practical life assistance to Katharina. That is nevertheless very nice from you. However I find Katharinas mode of expression good, her call the child with the name, if it concerns to describe scandals. Therefore you receive now also one
of me for your service at the next one and Katharina one
for its intelligent contributions. 
of me for your service at the next one and Katharina one
for its intelligent contributions.
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:19
Voice from Vienna: Huguenot church
Too only I would like to get straight: the girl and the family do with very much suffering - all the same to which church they belong. A young girl from the circle of the family to tear and it into a closed institute put borders on crimes.
Nevertheless some questions remain openly:
1. Melissa wanted to remain gladly in its class. - did not go however, because of missing school achievements. Even if it had at school remained, it would have come into one other class - here from the state to require to come to meet the desire of the child it is not clear to me.
2. The girl was not subordinate to judicial travel restrictions.
That was not also the question - if I to the court am cited, then I do not need judicial travel restrictions, in order to appear there.
I believe - although I condemn this situation and the family and particularly the girl suffering do to me - that at this situation excluding the authorities do not carry the debt.
Nevertheless some questions remain openly:
1. Melissa wanted to remain gladly in its class. - did not go however, because of missing school achievements. Even if it had at school remained, it would have come into one other class - here from the state to require to come to meet the desire of the child it is not clear to me.
2. The girl was not subordinate to judicial travel restrictions.
That was not also the question - if I to the court am cited, then I do not need judicial travel restrictions, in order to appear there.
I believe - although I condemn this situation and the family and particularly the girl suffering do to me - that at this situation excluding the authorities do not carry the debt.
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:10
HeinrichvonOfterdingen: Humans Katharina L.,
They prove us again times like your opinions are decayed.
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:05
Jean: But, KathL, asks…
I sag's gladly again: No committing ELT it you, if you withdraw yourselves somewhat, until it is again better. Lasts only a few days.
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:01
zwobbel: In holidays to have travelled suggests psychological problems
And must in the youth welfare office at least one person will obviously dismiss. All the same whether with civil service status or not.
Was a complaint of supervision of service actually already placed?
Was a complaint of supervision of service actually already placed?
Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:58
Katharina L. †: From the editorship removes
The editorship does not take responsibility for contents of the contributions. She reserves herself the right to delete contributions as well as to exclude readers from the debate.
Homosexuality:
